Seems like despite huge advantages with the new system, some small bits of functionality need to be added here and there. Top that off with a liberal helping of people complaining because they can't use their clunky work arounds anymore.

Hey this is great I lol'd out loud, oh and I'm reading this thread now, sorry about late reply, we have been monitoring the official feedback thread of the blog over the weekend and are collecting valuable input for iteration tasks as well as setting up User testing sessions to be able to actually observe in action the things you are describing so that the changes and fixes we do will be the right ones.

I'd just like to confirm that "winferno" is indeed going to be awesome.

Also i personally think inferno is going to be a pretty good expansion, despite everything (they had to make lots of hard choices lately).

Constructive feedback = good. Very, very good.

I think his post was more directed at those making vocal, vague, obscure complaints... accusing the developers of stupidity... or simply offering opinion on something they obviously didn't actually work with (or at least work with long enough to fully understand).

New inventory system is sweet, you can make it look like the old one too, just shift click to open stuff in their own windows. Dunno what Grey's problem is.

EDIT: Also please stop saying you can't open multiple windows, you can, its easy, its like, really easy, christ do you people even try or did you all just go OH GOD IT CHANGED

"Nothing to see here? Move along?"

Seriously, it's a new UI. There are as many ways to use a UI as there are people using it - and it will be impossible to accommodate everyone's particular wishes in the first run. Does that mean CCP should stop developing new technology or no longer attempt to improve on the old UI?

Certainly not. It just means you have to be patient and politely point out that you think there's a problem with the new system so it can be fixed in the iterative process.

Hey folks.
I'm sorry if people that have given us feedback have felt we didn't listen in the past few days, I hope this post has re-instated that we actually listen and act accordingly and have simply been doing nothing else since the release of our blog. In the future, when we go through the feedback and create User Testing plans, we will make sure we reply to all the different discussion threads on the forums where we read the feedback, so that you all know that the feedback has been read, noted and addressed.

"because we don't believe you when you say there is a problem"

Nice

So basically the main issues are settings/locations changing every time there is a session change, an update bug, and the behavior of windows you open for objects outside of your immediate ownership (wrecks/cans/etc.) could be made easier to deal with.

Sounds like these issues should be manageable, or an equitable alternative method created.

I have no idea what constraints CCP is under to roll this system out this release, it sounds like it would be very difficult for them NOT to roll it out at this point. Considering the amount of work, detail, questions, and effort they have expended on getting our feedback and begin addressing them, I don't have much doubt that if there are still issues come release day they will be ironed out shortly thereafter.

People still insisting that they are ignoring the issue are leaving the realm of well founded criticism behind and venturing deep into the territory of bullheaded stubborness. It's not going to kill anyone if we have to wait for some tweaks to be released to get things perfect for you again... provided we don't have to wait too long.

CCP should be including us on the design of the master plan, not just the new individual cogs and gears they are planning.

Example: When you dock and are sorting your loot out of your cargo hold. All you need have open is your cargo hold. Filter things however you like and simply drag the items to the appropriate listings in the tree. All of your sorting is done from one window, with far less mouse movement back and forth across your screen than dragging from one window to various other windows. The tree is right next to the items you are working with.

All that extra mouse movement needs to be done because you don't leave the tree open so that you can sort, drag, and drop on the hangers (etc.) listed there. In other words the tree isn't just there to allow you to easily find and open other hangers/containers... it's there to provide one spot (immediately adjacent to where your mouse will be) to drag your items to when sorting.

Did you happen to notice if they had fixed the corp delivery bug? It says it has been fixed in my bug report list, but it would just be too hilarious if that one slipped throughGǪ

I'd just like to confirm that "winferno" is indeed going to be awesome.

we have been monitoring the official feedback thread of the blog over the weekend and are collecting valuable input for iteration tasks as well as setting up User testing sessions to be able to actually observe in action the things you are describing so that the changes and fixes we do will be the right ones.

Yes, just SHIFT+click an inventory tree entry to open it up in a new window. This new window will open up with it's tree view collapsed by default. You can effectively have as many instances of the inventory window open as you want.

Everyone talking about multiple windows - you know that shift clicking opens up a new window right?

Just wanted to note that due to popular demand we've made changes so that the inventory window will have two sets of width, height, position and tree collapsed/expanded settings; one for stations and one for space, so you'll be able to configure it as you please for both scenarios.

Charming. FYI I've been at CCP since August of last year, and in my current position for 1 month. Also, there's not a game in the world that doesn't ship/release with bugs. If you don't have an understanding of QA process and software lifecycle I would thank you to keep your opinions and conjecture on the matter to yourself.

I personally look at it more like the evolution from a Flintstones model of car (totally functional, pretty basic) to a modern day automobile - there's a ton of bells and whistles on it, you're not sure if you need or want them all (but hey they're free so might as well take them), the only drawback is you need to learn how to drive it!

Personally having used the new system for a few months I would never go back to the old system. A few things to note;
....plenty of stuff....
Finally a big concern that is being raised again and again, is multiple window usage. We are already investigating this and hope that we can fix it in time.

However on a personal note, every time I have to go back from the Unified Inventory to multiple windows, I cringe. We understand the usability concerns raised here, but once people have been given some time to acclimatize themselves, we strongly believe that this will provide the best user experience.

I will talk to CCP Optimal and CCP Arrow tomorrow first thing, since they are both out of office now.

It's not that we don't believe you when you say that there is a problem, we do believe you, but instead of acting directly on the feedback we get on the forums, we need to recreate the situation players are describing so that we see the problems in action. This allows us to make design decisions that are more accurate than trying to interpret what we read on the forums and directly implement fixes based on that.

lol nah no weed smoked today.

the system thats on sisi now has and is missing functions that teh current tq system has. ive detailed them above, check it out bud

Should be getting Sisi updates before Tranq!